new meme:

[drewkitty]

If you oppose the Bush regime or the War on Terror, post this to your journal or blog.

"Liberals don't let liberal friends sleep with conservatives. If they must be so very dense, let them settle for their own hands, closeted gays, and what passes for sexuality among conservative women."

Comments

I Dunno...

[zakueins.livejournal.com]

...you could be doing the Conservatives a service. I mean, we tend to have more and more interesting hotties than the Liberals. :)

Re: I Dunno...

[drewkitty.livejournal.com]

Yet another example of right-wing delusion.

Re: I Dunno...

[zakueins.livejournal.com]

Have you seen the women that tend to be the spokeswomen for liberal causes? With the exception of movie stars (whom have all the brains of a rabbit), most of them are just...ugh.

Have you ever seen a good picture of Michelle Malkin? Ann Colter? Oriana Fallaci? We not only have better hotties, we have smarter ones, too.

Re: I Dunno...

[cerulean-me.livejournal.com]

Ann Colter.... I could see it MAYBE if she were modeling a bright shiny ball gag.

Re: I Dunno...

[drewkitty.livejournal.com]

Delusion Mark II. I've read her books. As innocent of logic as the deepest darkest fundamentalist jargon, of whatever religion you pick.

Re: I Dunno...

[ihuitl.livejournal.com]

She does it for the lulz.

Re: I Dunno...

[andybeals.livejournal.com]

Yes, I have seen good pictures of Ann Coulter. Man-hands and an Adam's Apple. Hm. What could that mean?

http://ifuckedanncoulterintheasshard.blogspot.com/^

[tiggerypum.livejournal.com]

what if you mostly oppose memes?

[drewkitty.livejournal.com]

Do (or be done) as you will. :)

[ihuitl.livejournal.com]

The War on Terror is wholesome and good for children. I love it with mouth <3

Of course, it is easy to be against the war on terrorism when you have nothing but contempt for ethical civilization and anything a little to the right of Hugo Chavez. I may not be an apologist for the Bush administration, but that does not mean I have to do a knee-jerk criticism of fighting the good fight.

You and I would be the first people imprisoned or executed under an Islamic sharia regime, and severely oppressed under dhimmitude. I for one will never allow such a thing to occur, nor will I assist in enabling its creation or perpetuation. If anything, I consider Islam, and its useful-idiot-friend of postmodernism to be more dangerous than modern mainstream Christianity ever will be again.

[jordan179.livejournal.com]

Of course, it is easy to be against the war on terrorism when you have nothing but contempt for ethical civilization and anything a little to the right of Hugo Chavez.

The Leftist opposition to the Terrorist War is odd, when one considers that the Islamofascists are "a little to the right" of Adolph Hitler.

[drewkitty.livejournal.com]

My opposition to the War of Terror is rooted in irrelevance and incompetence.

Irrelevance in that the War of Terror is engaging in all sorts of strategies that have nothing to do with counter-terrorism, and everything to do with the misguided delusions of right-wing fanatics.

Incompetence in that we have a desperate, crying need for a multi-pronged and systematic, ruthless effort in opposition to those who would use the tools of terror to hurt innocent people. Starting with a lot of translated reruns of Baywatch. Really.

[jordan179.livejournal.com]

The love between two people is far more serious than the ephermae of politics. Maybe, someday, you'll be wise enough to realize this.

[drewkitty.livejournal.com]

You are so limited in your outlook. Only two?

The subject is not love, anyway. It's lust. Another subject conservatives have trouble with.

[jordan179.livejournal.com]

The subject is not love, anyway. It's lust. Another subject conservatives have trouble with.

Oh, so you were addressing your plea to slutty liberal women.

Unlike you, I don't assume that liberal women are necessarily slutty.

[drewkitty.livejournal.com]

Unlike you, I don't assume that sex is sinful.

[jordan179.livejournal.com]

Unlike you, I don't assume that sex is sinful.

I said nothing about "sin."

(Hint: I'm an atheist).

[drewkitty.livejournal.com]

So if being a slut is not sinful, exactly what is your problem with sluts? Just asking.

Some Preliminary Points

[jordan179.livejournal.com]

So if being a slut is not sinful, exactly what is your problem with sluts?

Ok, first of all, I disagree with your implicit argument that a code of ethics or morality must be based upon religion: that only with a concept of "sin" is a concept of Good and Evil possible. An alternative approach is to designate "good" that which advances the cause of one's own survival and happiness in the long term, and "evil" that which harms this cause.

Interestingly, when one does this, the resultant prescribed behavior conforms fairly closely to most religiously based codes of morality. The reason is simple: religions are evolved memetic systems, and those which failed to promote the long-term survival and happiness of their adherents generally failed in Darwinian competition with more felicitious religions.

Now, as to my specific original point:

The choice of a mate, evolutionarily and personally, is one of the most important choices any human being can make. It is certainly more important to any individual than political details, especially when one reflects that one has roughly 50% of the power in choosing a mate (the intended mate has the other 50% of the power) but only tiny fractions of a percent of the power in choosing one's political leadership.

Hence, unless the political differences are extreme and translated into extreme personal behavioral differences (Scrooge McDuck marrying an Anarrean anarchosocialist), it is irrational to let political differences stand in the way of mating with someone you would otherwise find desirable.

Darwinian-Dawkinsian Evolutionary Reasons

[jordan179.livejournal.com]

Now, as to your question:

Each gender has basically two possible extremes between which to pitch its mating strategy. These are not the same for males as for females, for the simple reason that females can easily be stuck with nearly the whole cost of childrearing, but it's much harder for males to wind up in this position. After Dawkins, I will label the male strategies "Faithful/Philanderer" and the female ones "Coy/Willing."

These strategies roughly correspond to, in the same order, "Cooperate With Partner/Betray Partner" in the Prisoner's Dilemna. In other words, the best payoff for both genders is the "Faithful/Coy" match (where the female only yields on proof of long-term commitment).

But the Prisoner's Dilemna symmetry breaks down because the male and female have different "victory conditions." The male wants to avoid devoting his resources to caring for the children of other males, the female wants to avoid bearing a child who no man will help her raise.

If she is Coy, the point of it (*) is to discourage Philanderers, who will not be willing to go through a long courtship when their intentions aren't that serious. If she is Willing, the point of it is to trick a Faithful male into supporting her children by other males as well as his own.

Likewise, the Faithful male is trying to mate with someone who will not have children by other males and hence make him waste some of his resources. So he looks for proof of her future faithfulness, and the most obvious sign is that she is behaving like a Coy rather than a Willing female, while still displaying interest in him.

And that, in short, is why men may dally with sluts, but marry nice girls. If they are wise.

And that, in short, is why being a "slut" -- or at least being perceived, as one, is a bad thing for a woman.

And no. It's not fair.

I refer you to Jareth the Goblin King on the matter of "fairness." :)

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(*) In the Darwin-Dawkins sense of "point." Obviously the emotions involved may be, and probably are, much more complex.

[rue-gingertabby.livejournal.com]

I am a liberal woman and I am proud of being a slut.

On the other hand, there are several female LIBERAL friends of mine who are anything but.

You have to pay for sex regardless of if you pay a hooker or when you marry a conservative woman.

But at least the hooker is more honest about what she does for a living.

[jordan179.livejournal.com]

I am a liberal woman and I am proud of being a slut.

You have my sympathy, but ...

You seem to be responding to an argument other than the one that I made. The argument that I made is "Love is more important than politics, because politics is much more transient and less personal: hence it is foolish to decide who to love based on politics."

It was Drewkitty who argued that in the case of liberal women the issue under discussion was mere "lust."

By the way, even if it was only "lust," I wouldn't let politics dictate my choice of who to sleep with. After all, I don't let politics dictate my choice of where to eat, or what clothes to buy.

The personal isn't political. Thank sweet Athena!

[rue-gingertabby.livejournal.com]

And if you pay attention...Drewkitty's post was mostly tongue-in-cheek.

Learn to have a sense of humor when it comes to politics. Or anything.

Don't automatically jump on everything that seems to be a political attack or statement.

This is not about you. This is about having a sense of humor.

Because, being human can be such a tragedy.

[drewkitty.livejournal.com]

Then you lack the courage of your convictions, like a vegetarian who owns a butcher shop or an environmentalist who works for a petroleum distributor.

Liberal women should not sleep with conservative men because such men are opposed to 1) liberals and 2) women. Not necessarily in that order.

I don't care who you want to sleep with. I merely think that responsible people should not sleep with you.

[jordan179.livejournal.com]

Then you lack the courage of your convictions, like a vegetarian who owns a butcher shop or an environmentalist who works for a petroleum distributor.

One of my "convictions" happens to be that the personal is far more important than the political.

Liberal women should not sleep with conservative men because such men are opposed to 1) liberals and 2) women. Not necessarily in that order.

"Conservative" men are not "opposed to women."

I don't care who you want to sleep with. I merely think that responsible people should not sleep with you.

My fiancee would be amused -- or angered -- by that thought.

By the way, she's a Democrat.