Mooninites Pwn Boston

[drewkitty]

I have no sympathy for the mayor and police command staff of the city of Boston, which managed to panic the entire city through mass hysteria. I have even less sympathy for people who think that sacrificing their freedoms on the altar of Government-Knows-Best will make them any more secure.

I believe that the War of Terror needs to stop now.

I am adopting the Mooninite as my logo for posts that involve the War Of Terror.

1/31/2007



Never Forget

Comments

Re: I Disagree...

[drewkitty.livejournal.com]

Tell Boston what? That the devices had already been up for ten days?

NYPD Intelligence saw the mess on CNN and called Turner Broadcasting, then Turner (after a legal crisis meeting, probably) faxed a letter to the city of Boston at about 1700. Apparently a Boston police analyst figured it out at about 1500 but couldn't get the city command team to believe him.

Small bombings happen. Just like car wrecks. You don't shut down a city because of a single car accident, any more than you do for a single pipe bomb.

Re: I Disagree...

[zakueins.livejournal.com]

I think it's a part of the 9/11 mentality. Once you have one attack, there could be others. The RIFs love to set one or two bombs, then wait until things "calm down", then set off some more. I was remembering reading during the really bad days of the Intafada that the Palestinians would use two waves of suicide bombers at times, one to blow up, then another when the rescuers came.

From some of the stories I've heard, Boston PD is lucky to get out of the rain some days. Let alone handle things competently. At least they're better than the New Orleans PD...

Re: I Disagree...

[drewkitty.livejournal.com]

I agree completely that this is part of the 9/11 mentality.

Boston screwed up and is now dedicated to over-reaction. Remember that cities run airports, and that Boston's city government probably feels some guilt about helping push the security screening down to its pre 9/11 low to shave a few pennies.

There was no attack. There was no hoax. Boston did it to themselves. What do you call a self-inflicted attack, other than stupid?

Re: I Disagree...

[zakueins.livejournal.com]

One where that if it was an attack, everybody from the Mayor to the beat cops would have been crucified, sued, and run out on a rail.

And that's if they were lucky. Too many laywers, we need to issue hunting licenses.

Re: I Disagree...

[drewkitty.livejournal.com]

We didn't crucify, sue or run the New York city government out of town on a rail . . . or for that matter, the Bush regime, despite its long ties to the Saudi oil regime and the soft-pedal on Bin Laden prior to 9/11. Remember that Clinton (yes, the draft dodger and womanizer) was trying to take Bin Laden out and Bush cancelled that entire effort. Also remember that 9/11 was the second Al Queda airline hijack plot as well as the second attack on the World Trade Center, and that a lot of firefighters might be alive today if the Port Authority had followed recommendations after the first bombing and installed radio repeaters to eliminate the many problems experienced with radio communications during the first and second attacks at WTC.

If it had been an attack, well, shit happens. People die. First responders do their best to be part of the solution rather than part of the casualty count. The crisis management people need to be inside the opponent's decision curve, figuring out how to outwit that second-stage attack and mobilizing both relief and reaction forces accordingly.

If someone wipes out driving a stock car on a slow, easy gentle curve at 35 MPH -- in other words, dealing with this would-be signage placement -- do you think they're a good candidate for race car driver in the Indy 500?

Boston completely and utterly blew it. And they know it. Here's hoping they have the guts to recognize it and do something about it.

Re: I Disagree...

[zakueins.livejournal.com]

Yes, but who gave the information to the Bush government? A long, long legacy of various bad actors in the State Department and intellegence services-State being a hotbed of World Socalist/Tranzi political thought that probably requires a purge and summiary executions and intellegence services that were and still are gelded by the Church Commission and lawyers.

Remember, Clinton had at least two chances to take out OBL pre-9/11, and flubbed both of them. And, the 9/11 Commission was a white-wash of Clinton's intellegence failures, no questions.

Yes, the Bush family is close to the Saudis. How DID the Bush family make their fortune? Oil. What do the Saudi Royal Family control? Oil. What is our major energy souce (that we should be moving away from ASAP, and to nukes and solar and biodiesel)? Oil. At a certian point in certian circles, everybody knows everybody.

And, 9/11 caught all the "right" people by suprise. It was a fairly "low-tech" attack. It was done during a time when the response to a hijacking was to not resist and wait for rescue. It was expected that the terrorists would try to use their hostages to gain something.

And, in about 108 minutes, that changed...when somebody used a cell phone to call Flight 98. The next 9/11-style attack will probably see the terrorists swarmed under, because passive gets you killed.

And, yes, New York should have had the raido repeaters installed in the WTC. And a lot of other things done, too...but, like anything, the money had to be better spent somewhere else, like midnight basketball that was never used or to provide help for AIDS-infected sperm whales.

Boston had better learn from this balls-up error. Else they will deserve waht they get.

Re: I Disagree...

[drewkitty.livejournal.com]

The problem with the State Department is that there is no consistent national policy for dealing with other countries, because at every election the policy changes. It is very difficult to play diplomat when not only the hand of cards but the rules of victory change so frequently.

The threat of Bin Laden and Al Queda was well known to the intelligence community since the 1990s. For Goddess' sake, the former head of CIA was Bush's father! Blaming Foggy Bottom is a red herring.

Operations fail. "Flubbed" is a harsh word. By that standard, we've flubbed at least thirty (30) post 9/11 attempts on Al Queda leadership and still haven't gotten Bin Laden. I can't blame Bush for that . . . hey, we're trying. My point is that pre 9/11, we stopped trying on orders from Bush.

The city budget of New York is not spent on that kind of corruption. It's spent on other corruption, such as open-ended civil service jobs and no-bid contracts to generous supporters of the party in power.

Not even trying is much harsher than failure. Waste when lives are in your hands is far, far worse.

I'm . . . irritated by the unnecessary loss of life in New York, but they're making up for it. In spades.

Let's see if Boston can learn from their example.

Re: I Disagree...

[zakueins.livejournal.com]

The leadership might change...but the State Department is very much in the grips of a series of politicans that are very consistant in their beliefs. And those beliefs have been very World Socialist/"We can all get along if we play nice"/Tranzis since the '40s, easily.

Yea, we knew that OBL was a problem, and during the '90s, Clinton wanted to gain a "legacy"-and another overseas intellegence failure a'la the Church Commission would have ruined that legacy.

I'm also convinced that we know exactly where OBL is-dead in a cave somewhere in Afganistan-and we just want to body to be sure. Having a corpse to point at make it a lot easier to say that we know he's dead.

New York gets a lot of money for the Federal Government. And, during the '90s, a lot of what had to be done in the form of repairs and upgrades to infrastructure (like, oh, the repeaters) were spent on "social" programs, like midnight baskeball and gun buy-back programs. Where the money probably would have gone better into upgrading police training (with shoot/no-shoot simulators) and providing better hardware.

The bidding corruption is, sadly, a part of anything involving civil government. The only question is how blatant it is, and if something is actually done right.

Boston should be learning, and I hope it is.